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Christianity: First 3000 years – Transcripts Part 1 & 2

Video 1 -First Christianity Part 1

When I was a small boy,  My parents used to drive me  round historic churches,  searching out whatever looked  interesting or odd. But soon They realised that  they had created a monster.  The history of the Christian Church became my life’s work. For me, no other subject can  rival its scale and drama. For two thousand years, Christianity has been one of the  great players in world history inspiring faith but also squalid politics. 

It is an epic story starring  a cast of extraordinary people,  from Jesus himself and the first Apostles to empresses, kings and popes from reformers and champions of Human conscience to crusaders and sadists. 

Religious belief can transform us for good or ill. It has brought human beings  to acts of Criminal Folly as well as the Highest achievements  of goodness and Creativity. 

Christianity has survived persecution, splits, war religion, mockery, hatred 

Today there are two billion Christians – a third of humanity –  protestant, catholic, orthodox, pentecostal and many more. 

Deep down the Christian Faith boasts  a shared core, but what is it? 

In Modern Europe,  Christianity seems threatened by the apathy of a secular society. Will it survive? Can it? 

I’m chasing the story of  Christianity across the globe, coming face to face with people who have got their own take on this 2,000-year-old adventure. 

Better and where to start  than in the city which first knew  Jesus the Christ? 

Jerusalem 

I’m in Jerusalem for a very good reason, But it’s probably not what you think. We’ve all heard something of the Christian story. 

Jesus, the wandering Jewish  teacher, crucified by the Romans. Paul, who had hunted down Christians until on the road to Damascus, he experienced a  blinding vision of Jesus Christ  resurrected from the Dead. 

Paul’s new-found zeal focused on  people beyond the Jews – Gentiles. It took himfar from Jerusalem, to  Rome, and not just it reshaped the Faith of Christ but in the end, all western civilisation. 

That’s the familiar story of  the origins of Christianity. But I’m here in Jerusalem because I  want to look for something else. You can find clues here in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. The Church is said to have been built where Jesus  was crucified and buried. 

At its heart is what’s believed to be his tomb. Somehow the followers  of Jesus became convinced  that he rose from here to new life.

The belief that Jesus can overcome death is the most difficult and troubling affirmation of the Christian faith. 

Over 20 centuries it’s made Christians act in heroic, joyful, beautiful, terrible ways. It’s made this one of the holiest sites on earth. You see, at heart Christianity is a personality cult. Its core is the unprecedented  idea that God became human, not in a pharaoh, a king or even an emperor, but in a humble peasant  from Galilee. 

And the conviction that you can meet Jesus, the son of God, and transform your life is a compelling message.

It’s what drove Christianity’s relentless expansion. But the Church built around the tomb of Jesus is also the starting point for a forgotten story, a story that may overturn your preconceptions  about early Christianity. 

Pride of place in this building goes to two churches. This chapel belongs to the Greek Orthodox Church.

Orthodoxy is a large part  of the Christian story. The other church with a strong  presence here is actually the biggest in the modern world – Catholicism. Orthodoxy and Catholicism dominated Christianity in Europe, in the West, for its  first 1500 years. But as you walk around the edges of the Church you can’t fail to notice other curious little chapels. They’re not Western or European, they’re Middle Eastern or African.

And they tell a very different story about the origins of Christianity. Around the back of Christ’s tomb is Egypt’s Coptic Church. There are plenty of other Churches represented here, but you need to know where to look. 

Now this is the chapel of  the Syriac Orthodox Church, which the Greek Orthodox  of course would call unorthodox. Back outside and through a side door leading up to the roof, you’ll  find the Ethiopian Orthodox Church. Many versions of Christian history  would make this unorthodox too and yet it’s far older than  better-known versions of  Christianity, like Protestantism. 

It’s easy for tourists to dismiss  these ancient churches as quaint, irrelevant even, but that  would be a big mistake. These chapels contain vital clues to the story I want to tell. Because the origins of the Christian faith are not in the West, but here in these  ancient Churches of the East.  For centuries Christianity flourished in the East. And indeed at one point  it was poised to triumph in Asia,  maybe even in China. The headquarters of Christianity  might well have been Baghdad  rather than Rome. And if that had happened Western Christianity would have been very different. 

I will trace that huge voyage… ..from Jerusalem to Syria, through Central Asia, to the far reaches of the Asian continent. In my journey, I’ll discover how the Christian faith survived worlds away from Jerusalem. I’m not giving you a history of  Christian theology, though I won’t be afraid to plunge you  into many ancient arguments   about Christian faith. The main character here is not Jesus or the gospels. It is in fact the Church, the institution of Christian faith that has fought its way through history. 

It all started here in Jerusalem, when the first followers of Jesus formed a Jewish Christian Church. It was led by James, whom the  gospels call the brother of Jesus 

Here in the old city is  the Armenian Cathedral of St James. His tomb is said to lie below the high altar. The Jerusalem church probably would have remained the headquarters of a single unified Christianity.But in the year 70, disaster struck. A rebellion of Jews against the Romans ended  in a siege of Jerusalem.

As troops finally broke into the city, the Temple went up in flames.   

Today its Western Wall is all that remains. Christians quit the city  before the siege. Now the fledgling faith  would have to survive outside its Jewish homeland. But could it adapt? That’s the big test  facing any world religion. With Jerusalem gone where would Gentile Christians look now? Well, you might think  obviously west to Rome,  because that’s where Paul had gone. But at the time it would not  have seemed obvious at all. Paul had been killed in Rome. So had the Apostle Peter. What if you take the other road  out of Jerusalem – east?

Today this is Urfa in south-east Turkey. In the first century it was called Edessa, capital of a small kingdom, and wealthy because it controlled  part of the main trade route east. Edessa is special, because its ruler King Abgar set an important precedent here. He chose to show his personal devotion to Jesus by adopting

Christianity as the Kingdom’s official state religion, at least 100 years before the Romans did. For the last 17 centuries,  Christianity has been repeatedly  linked with the state, so in the United Kingdom, the monarch is still Supreme Governor of the Church of England. And this is where it all started –  in the ancient Eastern Christian kingdom of Edessa.  

And Edessa pioneered something else that has become  inseparable from Christianity – Church Music. Christian Edessa  has long since disappeared. After the First World War  it became a community in exile, over the border in neighbouring Syria.  This is the only surviving descendent of that ancient Church. But its liturgical chant is still based on the distinctive  tradition of Edessa. These hymns are derived from the poetry of the great 4th century Syrian theologian St Ephrem. And he was building on an even earlier tradition from these lands, echoing the music of the Roman Empire. I found that service very touching  because what we were hearing was the ghost of the music of the streets and market places, seized by the Church, turned  into psalms and hymns, taken across the western Mediterranean, turned into the music  of the whole Church – Latin Gregorian Chant, Johann Sebastian Bach, even the tambourines and guitars of the Pentecostals.  All come from here. 

But at the start of the 4th century, hymn singing would have been the last thing on the minds of Christians in the  western half of the Roman Empire. In the West, most Christians  wouldn’t be singing the public praises of God because  it was too dangerous. 

Successive Roman Emperors from Nero  onwards persecuted Christianity. They hated it. I expect most Romans  would’ve agreed with them. In the early 4th Century,  a betting man might have put his money on Christianity becoming  a major religion here in the East, but then something completely  unexpected happened in the West. 

A new Roman Emperor, Constantine,  made Christianity his own. Out went the old gods and goddesses of pagan Rome. In came the one God of the Christians.  It was a turning point in the  history of the Christian faith.

It was more than a 100 years  after the King of Edessa had made  Christianity his official religion. But to be the state religion  of a whole Empire was  something else altogether. 

The ability to reinvent itself would become a hallmark  of Christianity. But this was the greatest  reinvention of them all. It meant an end to persecution.  It brought power and wealth. It gave the Christian faith  the chance of becoming  a universal religion. From this moment, a Church  of the Roman Empire emerged. In theory, it embraced Christians in the Eastern Empire  as well as the West.  

But in the East, many Christians  were unimpressed by the new  alliance, even hostile. At stake were fundamental  disagreements about the direction  the faith should take. Jesus had told people to  abandon wealth, not to ally  with the rich and powerful.  Remember his joke about a rich man wanting to enter the kingdom of heaven was like a camel trying to get through the eye of a needle? Some Christians actually  listened to what Jesus had said. 

It was Eastern Christians here  in Syria who led the way… ..showing Western Christianity a pattern for spiritual life. We call this pattern monasticism. A way of life involving  isolation from the world, austerity, and  suffering. 

In the north of Syria there is one of the oddest souvenirs of the new religious movement  in Eastern Christianity.

For almost 40 years  a holy man called St Simeon lived on top of a stone column. He’s now known  as a pillar saint or Stylite. I am actually really excited to be here, because I first saw a picture of this when I was eight and I never thought I’d come here and now I am.  I’m here. 

And there it is, the stump of his pillar. Among all the other  pillars you can see. it’s the thing  which looks shapeless. You’ve gotta imagine this stump  30ft high or whatever it was. Very strange sight indeed. It’s still pretty strange. Crowds came to see St Simeon  sitting on his pillar. The church was built around it after his death. And it’s pilgrims who made  the pillar look so strange.

In their search for healing  souvenirs, they whittled it down until it looks like a  well-sucked holy lollipop. 

St Simeon is the most  famous of many Syrian hermits who tried to come closer to God  by punishing their bodies.  For them, suffering was the road  to salvation and they tried  to inspire others to follow. According to the Syrian enthusiast  for St Simeon’s Church I met, this approach set Eastern  Christians apart from the West. 

Abdullah Hadjar -St Simeon here, he was on the crossing  of two main roads between Aleppo and Antioch, between Apamea and Syrius, so that was a crossing  where many people used to pass  with their caravan or whatever. 

McCulloch   That’s interesting because the  stereotype in Europe of the hermit is someone who goes away  from the world,  yet this man is right  in the middle of things. 

Abdullah Hadjar -Yeah, therefore as you said,  when you see the man as a Stylite – vertical connection –  he is between the land and God. 

McCulloch – He is like a lighthouse.   

Abdullah Hadjar -Exactly. 

Here is a man, who’s suffered more than most  people in his life. What is it  that makes him want to suffer? 

Abdullah Hadjar — Christians at the beginning  of Christianity here, they were thinking, “We are  passing by in this life. “We should suffer. This is  a valley of the tears.  “Our day will be in the next  life where we will see God. “We will be in Heaven, in paradise. “We should suffer here   to deserve the other one.”  

A clear divide was growing  between East and West. Even as the Roman Emperor was making  Christianity powerful and wealthy, here on its Eastern borders,  many preferred a faith which denied  the temptations of the world.  

Some started to gather in  communities where they could follow  God in purity and simplicity. 

They created the very  first monasteries. The new institution of  monastic life eventually reshaped Christianity when the  Western Roman Empire fell apart.  Monks turned their  holiness into power, and power is always a problem for the Church.  People want it, and they’ll  fight to get it. And their fight gets mixed up  with what they believe about God. 

Constantine may well have  thought that Christianity would  reunite his vast empire. In fact the opposite happened.  It deepened existing divisions. Constantine presided over four rival centres of Christian authority.

Antioch, in modern day Turkey,  was the main focus in the East. Further south was Alexandria in Egypt. The Bishop of Rome was the Pope, honoured in the West  as successor to the Apostle Peter. And trying to mediate  between these rival centres was Constantine’s new capital, Constantinople,  present day Istanbul.  

From the beginning,  Christians had argued over  passionately held beliefs. But from here in his new capital, the Emperor watched in horror as the unity of the faith  was tested to its limits. Matters came to a head over a question at the heart  of the Christian faith. Who exactly was Jesus and what was his relationship to God? 

Christians believe that God is all-powerful, the creator of the universe, and Jesus is the son of God, but he’s also a flesh and blood man who died on the cross. Now a man who died on a cross surely can’t be the same as  the creator of the universe. How then are they both the One God?  

According to a thoughtful  but maverick Egyptian priest,  Jesus was not the same as God.  The priest’s name was Arius.  He claimed that it  was impossible for God, who is perfect and indivisible, to have created the human  being Jesus out of himself. But hang on. If Jesus Christ is not  fully God, then is his death on the cross enough to save you from  your sins and get you to Heaven? If you care about the afterlife and they did, that’s the  biggest question you can ask. 

The power of Christian belief  lay in its claim to wipe away all the misery that humans feel about  sin and death, our guilt and shame. Christ died to give us the chance  to have an infinitely better life. Arius’ view could be seen to undermine all this. And so he was condemned. 

Yet the fact was many Christians  had said the same over the previous three centuries, here  on the shores of the Bosphorus  as much as anywhere else. But Constantine couldn’t allow this  divisive idea to split the Church  and in the process, his Empire. He had to put a stop to it.   

Just a few hours out of Istanbul  is one of the most important sites in Christianity’s turbulent history Bishops from across the Empire  were summoned to solve the crisis in an Imperial Palace now thought  to be submerged beneath this lake. Today the town here is called Iznik. Back in the 4th century it was  the city of Nicaea, the setting  for the famous Council of Nicaea. There had been church councils  before, but this was the first  held in the presence of an Emperor And it was Constantine, who proposed  the vital statement which he hoped  would send everyone home satisfied. The phrase was that Jesus was  “of one substance” with the Father. In Greek, that’s homoousios.

 # I believe in one God… #

After many more arguments over the next half century, this phrase stayed at the heart of one of the most important  Christian texts of all time.

# . and.in one Lord Jesus Christ… #

We call it the Nicene Creed, and it’s still recited on everyday worship  throughout the Christian world.

# ..being of one substance with the Father… #

It states that God is equally the Father,  Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are three in one,

the Trinity.  # Amen. #

The Emperor must have  breathed a sigh of relief.  Emperors longed for unity. Inconveniently for them, Christians  repeatedly valued truth rather more.

PART 2 

A hundred years later, in 428,  a clever but tactless scholar was appointed the new  Bishop of Constantinople, Nestorius. Bishop Nestorius wasted little time  in plunging the Church into a fresh quarrel  about the nature of Jesus. It would end the unity of the Church  once and for all and in the process consolidate eastern Christianity  as a distinct and formidable force.

Now I’ll try to get to  the heart of what might seem  a very technical argument. After Nicaea, we know that Jesus Christ is of one substance with  the Father, so he’s divine.  But he’s also a man. So he’s human.

He has two natures but he’s one person. How does that actually work?  

Nestorius understood  the two natures in Christ as being something like oil  and water contained in a glass Although they are  in the same container,  they remain quite separate. So in Christ there are two separate natures – human and divine. It seemed a neat  and satisfying formula, especially for Christians  seeking salvation. If Jesus was fully human,  people could identify with him and if he was fully divine, he could  grant the gift of eternal life. But many thought it too neat.

The Bishop of Alexandria in Egypt,  called Cyril, was appalled. Separating out the two natures  of Jesus tore Christ in two. Imagine a glass containing water  and wine. They mix indivisibly. So, Cyril argued, it is with Christ. His human and divine  natures come together as one Cyril’s followers  squared up to Nestorius.

This really was a fight to the death  because understanding exactly  how Jesus was God explained how he was powerful  enough to save you from Hell. 

At first Cyril seemed  to have the upper hand. He had Nestorius hounded  out of Constantinople and banished to  a remote Egyptian prison. But Nestorius’ supporters remained. And so once again a Roman Emperor was left fearing  that his state would fracture. He had to call yet more councils.  

Eventually in 451 the bishops of  the Empire gathered just across  the straits from Constantinople for another landmark  council in Church history. The Council of Chalcedon  met to define the future  of Christian faith. The Council met just over there. It tried to do what all Emperors  want, to sign up everyone to a middle of the road settlement. When you do that, it always helps  to have a few troops around.  

So the Council decreed a compromise. In essence it backed Nestorius’  oil and water emphasis – that whilst here on earth Christ  the divine and human being was “recognised in two natures,  without confusion, without change”. But in a nod to Cyril’s followers,  it straightaway added “without  division, without separation”.

And that compromise is how the Churches which descend  from the Emperor’s Christianity, the Catholic,  Protestant and Orthodox, have understood the mystery  of Jesus ever since. 

But frankly  it was a fairly shabby deal  that left plenty of people unhappy. Cyril’s supporters  were naturally angry, but the followers of Nestorius  felt marginalised and insulted too.  

Nestorius had died a heretic in exile. And even though Chalcedon used some of his theological language, it did  nothing to restore his reputation. The losers of the council of Chalcedon refused to fall into line. It was a watershed. Imperial  and non-imperial Christianity  would never be reconciled. Instead something new happened.  

The church split for the first time,  something that would happen  many more times in its history. The imperial Church now found itself  focused solely on the Mediterranean. It had no choice. Eastern Christians were not going  to be pushed around by the Emperor.  But unlike their Western cousins,  Christians in the East  would now have to survive  in the midst of hostile  and alien religions,  without the backing of an Emperor. You might think it  would be the end of them.

But in any religion,  apparent misfortune can be a spur, even stimulate expansion. For Eastern Christians this was  the start of a great adventure, to take what they believed was  the true and First Christianity  to the far ends of Asia.  

In the 6th century, on the eastern  fringes of the Roman Empire, Syria was emerging as  an alternative Christian centre of gravity to the West. Priests sympathetic to Cyril  of Alexandria’s mixed  water and wine view of Christ, were secretly  consecrated as Bishops. A new Eastern Church was born. It’s now called the Syriac Orthodox Church. 

Today its priests are trained at its  headquarters just outside Damascus. The seminary offers a glimpse of  what Imperial Western Christianity might have looked like if Chalcedon had chosen in favour of Cyril. Instead of the rational, tidy Christianity of the West, this is a faith which glories in mystery. It pays meticulous attention to ritual – in particular to the quality of the performance. 

One of the tutors at the seminary,  Father Fady, suggested to me Eastern Christianity  is more in touch with its origins than the West. 

MacCulloch – What do you think is lacking in  the Western Church tradition? 

Father Fady –  Well, you find the liturgy  in the East to be so much  richer in symbolism. The way people communicate is  not only through words, but through gestures, through the way, you know, the person is expressing himself through his body,  or voice, tune or whatever. Now this is very different from how Western spirituality has developed, which was always through philosophy,  so you always have theologians who are philosophers, but in the East,  you always have theologians who are either poets, or maybe  icon drawers or whatever. 

All Christian worship is drama,  full of sign and symbol. But what Father Fady is claiming is that Eastern Christianity has made a priority of passing down gestures, which take you right back to the beginnings of the Church. When the priest lifts the communion  bread for example, it symbolizes Jesus rising from the dead. 

You could say that  the most important assertion of the Syriac Orthodox Church is its claim to authenticity.  Key sections of this service are in  the ancient language called Syriac. It’s a dialect of Aramaic, the actual language  which Jesus spoke. 

Father Fady – What makes me so enthusiastic  about my Church is that the Church speaks  the language of Christ so if you want to read the history  of the Church or the spirituality of the Church, you really need  Syriac in order to access  all the manuscripts and you know the writings  of the early Church. 

Here, on the fringes  of the Roman Empire, was a Christianity now fully  in charge of its own destiny 

These Syrian Christians  honoured the memory of Cyril and other Christians  felt the same way.

Go to the ancient Church  of Egypt, the Copts,  or the ancient Church of Ethiopia, and you’ll find that they’ve not  yet forgiven the Roman Emperor   for the Council of Chalcedon. 

But just as confidence was  growing among Eastern Christians, in the 7th century  the whole of Christianity, East and West,  found itself in danger. It had to face up to a rival, a new militant faith… Islam. 

Followers of the prophet Muhammad  began their push out from the Arabian peninsula in 632, conquering much of the known  world with astonishing speed. Islam brought huge damage to Imperial Christianity.

As it travelled west, it wiped out much of the southern provinces of the old Roman Empire,  It reached across north Africa, into Spain, and into  Sicily and Italy. It even threatened mighty Constantinople.

That fight between Imperial  Christianity and Islam for the soul of Europe  lasted centuries. But the conflict also had an Eastern front. 

This is one of the world’s oldest  mosques, the Great Umayyad Mosque It was built at the heart of a new Muslim Empire ruled by the Umayyad Dynasty  from here in Damascus Crude modern versions of history see the coming of Islam as a “clash of civilisations”,  in which Islam quickly wiped out Eastern Christianity. But the truth is rather different. Here there was more of an encounter of civilisations. Much like the destruction of  Jerusalem in the 1st century, the arrival of Islam was indeed a crisis point for Christians. 

But Christianity  proved it could meet this new  challenge to its survival. The Umayyads didn’t have  the resources or the inclination  to force conversion on Christians. In fact, they did deals  with local leaders. 

Christians did become second-class  citizens and later rulers even forced Christians to wear distinctive yellow clothing. Much later, European Christians  would do that to Jews. Despite all that there is evidence that Christianity  did influence Islam. 

Christianity played a part  in shaping Muslim worship. It even affected its doctrine. The Umayyad Mosque stands on  the site of a Christian Church and still contains a shrine said to be the tomb of John the Baptist, this Christian saint  is honoured as a prophet in Islam. But perhaps most remarkable is the likelihood that the act of  prostration during Muslim prayer was originally inspired by Eastern Christian tradition. 

I discussed all this with Islamic  scholar and Syrian politician  Mouhammad Habash. 

Mouhammad Habash –  According to our faith in Islam, we believe all prophets, as prophet of God and as messengers  of God, but Jesus Christ has more. In our faith, we believe him  as a spirit of God and we believe he is coming back  exactly in this white minaret. Oh, this white minaret.

This white minaret – it’s named Jesus Minaret, because  Prophet Mohammad he said. “By God Jesus Christ  is coming back to you “exactly in white  minaret in Damascus.” 

McCulloch -And here we are in this great  courtyard and it’s really quite  natural to take our shoes off but I have also seen the same thing  in the sanctuary of a Christian  church during the Holy Eucharist,  so do you think it’s  possible that such customs are actually borrowed by Islam in  its first days from Christianity? 

Mouhammad Habash  -My colleagues in parliament, he  mentioned this one to leave off yourshoes and how to pray.  He said in all the churches, in all Christian sects,  you can find the same praying as  Islam, five times every day, and you can find people who pray  on the land, not on church.

 Believe me there is more in common than you think  between Islam and Christianity. 

As Christians here learned how  to live side-by-side with Islam, one group of Eastern Christians was about to get an  unexpected new lease of life. Remember Nestorius, the Bishop who won the day at Chalcedon, but still came off the loser? Well, adapting to  the challenge of Islam provided just the spur his followers needed to embark on their own great  Christian venture in the East. Nestorius died in exile in Egypt, but his supporters helped build a church independent  of both Imperial Christianity and the Syriac Orthodox Church. They based their headquarters  further east, in modern Iraq. They called themselves, appropriately,  the Church of the East. 

This is one of the Church’s  Iraqi congregations.  It’s had a presence in what is now Iraq for over 1,500 years. Only recent wars have forced this  congregation to worship in exile  across the Syrian border. It’s naturally proud  of its ancient lineage. But in fact it has a much  bigger significance  in the history of Christianity. That’s because these Eastern  Christians persuaded their  Muslim rulers that they had unique skills to offer. Skills gained during  the time they spent arguing about the nature of Christ.    

They turned Greek theology,  literature and philosophy into their  native Syriac to argue the case/ They became the think tank of the middle east. So when the new Muslim Empire wanted to translate Greek science and philosophy into Arabic it was to the ancestors of these Christians that it naturally turned. 

We in the West owe the  Church of the East a huge debt. Much of what we know about  Greek learning, from medicine to astronomy  and even the system of Arabic  numerals in use today, all come to us courtesy of  those Christian translators. The value of the scholars  to their Muslim rulers  ensured that the Church thrived. 

Within 200 years of the rise  of Islam, Patriarch Timothy I of the Church of the East presided from the Abbasid  capital of Baghdad over an area that extended  from Jerusalem to Central Asia even to India,  which was home to a thriving Church. Its descendants are still there. Everywhere in this vast area,  Timothy was known by the ancient Syriac title of respect for  a religious leader, “Mar”. Maybe a quarter of all Christians saw Mar Timothy  as their spiritual leader – probably as many as the Bishop  who was Pope in Rome. So here in Syria and Central Asia,  Christianity had passed  a crucial test. 

In contrast to the West, it was  unable to rely on military strength and so had learned to make  the most of persuasion, negotiation. But Christianity is at heart a missionary faith, and in the Abbasid Empire, conversion from Islam was forbidden. So the Eastern Church  had to find other ways to expand.  

The solution was as radical as  the later expansion of Western  Christianity in the Americas. The Church of the Middle East  decided to spread to the Far East. Christianity is now so identified  with the West that we’ve forgotten that long ago the belief that  God became man in Jesus found  fertile ground in the Far East.

But that’s exactly what happened in 7th century China. And we’re beginning to understand  how Christianity may have managed to  survive in such an alien culture. 

I met Martin Palmer, a writer on  early Chinese Christianity, who  believes he’s found the smoking gun.

The missing evidence from the Christian presence in China in the 7th century. That’s around the same time as Christianity was beginning to  convert Anglo-Saxons in England. 

Martin came across a map of  modern day Shaanxi Province, where there was thought to be a long  lost 7th century Christian monastery  called Da Qin. To find it he needed to pinpoint an identifiable traditional  Chinese landmark. 

Martin Palmer – This map was a very faded  pencil map, so I got out a huge magnifying glass,  put a whopping great light on it, ooked at this, read the characters  and then suddenly realising I knew  exactly where it was… Wow. ..because the next temple up  on this map was Lao Guan Dai and that’s the temple over there.  Right on that hill,  that wooded hill over there. 

Lao Guan Dai was the most important  Daoist Temple in Tang Dynasty China. And now on a hillside,  just across from that Temple, Martin was looking for evidence  of a Christian monastery. The monastery seemed to have a tall  typically Chinese feature, a pagoda.   

And that’s exactly what Martin   found, only a mile away. It was in a terrible state then. Now the Chinese have given it  a good deal of TLC, because it is such an extraordinary survival. 

Martin Palmer -We arrived to find a 115-year-old   nun and I know this is beginning to sound like Indiana Jones,  but she made tea for us and I was desperately looking to  see if I could find something with a cross on it, so I went up the hill  just to look down on it and that’s when I realised  this was a Christian site.

McCulloch – How? 

Martin Palmer All Daoist, Buddhist  and Confucianist temples  face south, that’s the geomantic, the feng shui  direction of Chinese temples. Yep. All historical Christian churches face east as you know…  Yep, east, west, yep. ..better than anybody else.  This terrace cut into the side of the hill runs east, west. So I ran down the hill going,  “Yes, yes, I know it’s true,  I know it’s true!” And the Buddhist nun kind of drew  herself up to her full height of  five feet and stared me in the knee caps and went,

“What’s going on?” So I said, “Well, we think that this might   once upon a time have been “a very ancient Christian church”,  and she drew herself up  even more and she went, “Well, of course, it was  the most famous Christian church  in China. Didn’t you know that?” There are moments, Diarmaid,  when you just sort of think,  “Thank you, God!” 

The Christian monastery  seems to have adopted  typical Chinese architecture. Inside the building there are  sculptures, which Martin believes survive from the Pagoda’s  Christian days. But when we tried  to take a look, we hit a problem. Today the ground floor of the pagoda  is a Buddhist Temple. And some locals have had enough  of world interest in the building as an historical Christian site. In spite of lengthy negotiations,  I was not going to get inside. I’ve a certain sympathy  for the angry villagers. When my sort of Western Christian  culture bludgeoned its way  by force into China in the 19th century,  it humiliated the Chinese. They’ve not forgotten that. But when long before,  the Church of the East arrived on the scene,  it was very different.

And Martin was keen to show me  more about the differences. 

An hour’s drive away is the capital of the Tang Dynasty, Chang’an,  modern day Xi’an. It is home to a remarkable museum  of ancient stone-carved records  known as stelae. The so-called Forest of Stelae  is really an ancient library of classic Confucian writings,  Chinese poetry and history. And there are other stelae gathered  from around this imperial capital. 

One of these great stones is quite  breathtaking when you  realise what it is, nothing less than an ancient commemoration of the Church of the East  in China dating back to 781. 

Martin Palmer – And this is it. This is the Da Qin  Stone. There’s the words “Da Qin”. Now Da Qin means  a big empire in the West. The Chinese knew that there was a whopping great Empire,  somewhere to the West. Now, whether they were referring  to Rome or the Byzantine Empire or the Syrian Empire, we’re not  sure, but what they’re saying is, “This is the Western Empire’s  religion of brightness”. There’s the word for religion,  there’s brightness, and that was the name that  the Chinese Christians gave to their own religion,  the religion of light.

But can I show you one other thing  which will link you back to Syria  where you’ve just been… Right. ..with China, because round here,  on the walls here, can you see how we’ve got  some Syriac texts… Oh, yes. ..and then underneath  the Chinese names. Yeah. And each one of the Chinese names  starts with the same character and that’s the character  for Mar meaning… Oh, Priest! 

McCulloch – Now what strikes me  standing by all these great stones is that this Christian  one is just like all the others. 

Martin Plamer – Exactly, exactly. So here  we are in the year 781 in the greatest empire  in the greatest period of Chinese Civilisation  that there has ever been and we have Christianity  coming, proud of its roots, but also able to mix and move  amongst the Chinese with great ease.  

Indeed, wherever they went, Eastern  Christians seemed to find sympathy in societies very different from theirs. So the mystery is what happened  to the Church of the East?  

We know that in the 9th Century   a new Chinese Emperor turned  against all foreign religion. The Church seemed to disappear. But Martin has an intriguing theory  that rather than vanish, the Church  may have gone underground. 

Martin Palmer – We have a record. Marco Polo,  who comes in the late 13th century loathed the Church of the East. He  was a good Catholic, hated them. He says that 700,000 hidden  Christians re-emerged.

Now he probably underestimates, because he didn’t like them. 

McCulloch – Yes, he’s talking about  a huge number. Huge number.  So if Chinese people were prepared  to put that much effort  into Christianity, what is it that has made Christianity Chinese? 

Martin Palmer -Well, I think whereas the Church in  the West, once it had conquered the  Roman Empire, doesn’t meet another literate culture, other than Islam  with which it has a few problems,  until the 15th century, the Church of the East is  engaging with the greatest  intellectual centres the world has. And therefore the kind of  Christianity they developed was  a Christianity of dialogue, not of conquest. They never… Never  was the Church of the East imperial.  It was a Church of merchants,  not of the military, and that is a huge  difference, because merchants  like to arrive at a compromise. 

Eastern Christianity’s  ability to adapt and spread  without an army to back it may have helped it survive in China  at least until the 9th century. By then Western Christianity  had only just begun to make inroads  into central and northern Europe. That’s a point that’s often been missed. 

You might say the Church  of the East failed in China It never gained permanent  favour from Emperors. It worshipped in a foreign language,  Syriac. It seemed to fade away. But if Martin’s right, it didn’t completely. And maybe the Christianity we know needs to regain its ancient  ability to listen. 

Today, Christianity is  seen as a Western faith. Indeed, many in the Muslim world  would see “Western” lifestyles  as “Christian” lifestyles. But Christianity is not  by origin a “Western” religion.

Its beginnings are in the Middle  East, where there still exist Churches which have been Eastern  since the earliest Christian era. 

The story of the first Christianity  tells us that the Christian faith is in fact hugely diverse  with many identities. And it shows us that far from being  a “clash of civilisations”, in the East, the encounter between  Islam and Christianity  enriched both faiths. And yet, for all of Christianity’s  ability to re-invent itself, it was ultimately eclipsed  across most of Asia. It suffered too many  misfortunes – massacre,  plague, persecution. Islam suffered them too, but Islam had enough  powerful friends to survive. In the next episode of my history  of Christianity, I will follow the western road out of Jerusalem,  to Rome and beyond. And there we will see what  happens to Christianity when  it has powerful friends.